Air Marshals in Australia FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS

god help us all - first they remove our nail scissors and now they attack us with marshals with guns

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Are air marshals flying in Australia now?

The first group of Australian Air Security Officers completed their training in December and are now operating on flights within Australia.

It is expected that by the middle of 2002 a total of 111 Air Security Officers will have completed their training and be operating on Australian registered domestic and international flights.

What involvement does the aviation industry have in the air marshals program?

Throughout the development and implementation of the Air Security Officers program, the government has consulted with and sought cooperation from a wide range of interested and involved parties, including state and territory law enforcement agencies, airlines and other aviation industry representatives, union and staff organisations.

notice that the traveling public, the passengers, were not consulted.

To introduce the program, many issues needed to be addressed by the industry and the government. These issues included operational systems, management of security, indemnity and funding issues. The Australian Protective Service have already held their first operational meeting with aviation industry representatives and it is planned that further meetings will occur on a regular basis.

Currently the Air Security Officer program has in place joint training programs with several airlines. This training is designed to ensure that both the Air Security Officers and the airlines have procedures in place that are compatible. Considerable time has been spent developing these procedures and the Australian Protective Services Program Manager is in daily contact with the relevant airlines to ensure that the procedures that have been developed are functioning to the satisfaction of both parties

Overall there has been a high level of cooperation from the airlines and aviation industry, and its timely and effective implementation is evidence of the growing support for the program.

support from whom? pressure to comply from who? from the USA?

Why do we need armed Air Marshals in Australia?

Air Security Officers (Air Marshals) are traveling on flights over Australia as part of a series of inter-locking security measures, starting on the ground, protecting airline passengers in Australia.

protecting us from what and from who?

Many countries employ Air Security Officers including the United States, Israel Germany, India and Canada. One of the legacies of the September 11 attacks in the United States is an increased need worldwide for additional vigilance in air security.

most countries do not employ marshals. are we not vigilated enough already?

Aviation security consists of a number of layers, all interrelated and interdependent. This layered security concept has been adopted by many countries around the world and forms the cornerstone for the procedures in operation in Australia.

The layers are as follows:

Intelligence: Australia has in place ongoing analysis of all available information in order that the agencies and operators of aircraft are aware of possible threats. Australia's overseas partners provide timely intelligence. Increased sharing of information is a very necessary and positive legacy of the September 11 attacks. A number of agencies have monitoring and early warning systems in place at airports. They including alert lists for those people wanted for questioning by certain agencies. These systems are generally cross-linked

Australia's overseas partners are the USA. passengers are not intercontinental ballistic missiles that require early warning systems.

External Airport Security: This may include measures such as preventing vehicles parking close to a terminal. It may also involve the patrolling of car parks and other public areas by the police and/or private security firms. These organisations all have radio communications and are able to quickly report suspicious actions or packages.

since when have areas free from interference been public areas ? the police will not patrol car parks and other public areas. the low lives from the security firms will do it. god help us all. and yes they will have radios!

Inside the Airport: This is the first time passengers are observed by airline staff when initial checking of the passenger and their cargo occurs. Passengers are required to travel with their luggage and to declare any dangerous items. Security devices are also available to monitor crowded departure and arrival areas. Armed officers of the Australian Protective Service are also present in this area at many Australian airports.

we are no longer to be welcomed but observed and possibly gunned down at the check in desk.

Detection Equipment: There are a number of devices used to detect forbidden items and substances from being taken on aircraft. All passengers are required to pass through this screening process.

since when were nail scissors a threat to passenger safety?

Sterile Environment Area: This is the area admitting only passengers just prior to their embarkation. Sterile areas reduce the number of people in the terminal and provide a better opportunity for Airline staff to observe and monitor passengers prior to boarding aircraft.

again we are to be observed by Airline staff and not welcomed

Air side: This term describes the tarmac area, including the loading areas for all cargo. Again, this is a restricted area that can only be entered by those holding the required pass. In some terminals this area also provides the opportunity for further checking of cargo either by detection equipment (radiographic and explosive vapour) or specially trained detection dogs.

the lockerbee bombers used this method to place a kilo of sugar mixed with weed killer on an aircraft. the threat is from the pass holders who are not checked.

The Aircraft/Air Security Officers (Air Marshals): Each airline has a number of measures providing security for passengers including well qualified and trained aircrew and cabin crew, all of whom are briefed on security issues prior to each flight. Cabin staff are trained to observe passenger behaviour and to deal effectively with passengers causing problems on aircraft. The strengthening of cockpit doors is another measure being considered in the layered security approach. The use of Air Security Officers (Air Marshals) will provide the final layer in a comprehensive system of security designed to ensure the total security of both passengers and crew.

aircrew are trained to fly an aircraft. cabin crew are trained to look after passengers.
anybody who does not agree with this document must be causing a problem

Are Air Security Officers (Air Marshals) well trained?

All Air Security Officers undergo a stringent selection process and comprehensive training program developed and conducted by the Australian Protective Service (Australian Protective Services) to world best practice. This high level of training is achieved by using specialist firearms and tactical instructional staff recruited from police and defence services.

haven't we heard this jargon before "undergo a stringent selection process and comprehensive training program". the usual range of unemployable uneducated low levels from the prisons will be recruited. they are violent.

The Air Marshal Division of the US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has assisted the Australian Protective Services in this process. The FAA has lengthy and proven experience in the performance of armed airborne security operations. Extensive liaison continues to occur with the US Federal Air Marshals. All Air Security Officers undertake aircraft emergency procedures training. The first group completed their training courtesy of Qantas Airways.

now we have it. it is the americans causing trouble again.
they have this system and want everybody else to have it to justify their excesses.

What will Air Security Officers (Air Marshals) do?

hopefully nothing. but they may draw their guns and start shooting the passengers. what a good cover for a hijacker. remember mrs Ghandi was executed by her bodyguards.

Air Security Officers (Air Marshals) are trained to respond appropriately to the level of threat. This is termed "force escalation" and may involve the following:-

oh so they are trained and that makes it alright. what sort of training is given to the passengers.
what sort of force escalation is possible for defence by passengers.
don't forget the on September 11th 2001 it was the passengers and not the crew who defended the white house from attack by a hijacked aircraft.
the passengers are not reassured by the threat posed by an escorting F16.

  • Negotiations.
  • Use of non-lethal force to disarm and restrain.
  • Use of firearms as a last resort.

Only when there is a direct and immediate threat to the lives of passengers and crew or a threat to the structural integrity of the aircraft will officers react by using force.

yes only words. in fact instead of one problem, a hijacker, the passengers now have two problems.

Cabin crews are already trained to deal with troublemakers or potential troublemakers. The Air Security Officers role is to prevent the hijacking of an aircraft: they are not on aircraft to become involved the operational procedures developed by each airline for the type of incidents described above.

potential troublemakers are passengers who do not agree with the extreme views presented in this document.

What if an Air Security Officer (Air Marshals) uses a Weapon in an Aircraft?

somebody will die.
it is very dangerous to let off a gun in a confined space with economy class passengers packed in like sardines.
better not to do anything.

If all other techniques and strategies available to the Air Security Officer fail and it becomes necessary to use their firearm the officers are trained to the highest level of competency. The chances of a bullet hitting other than the intended target are remote

says who?
what about the acceptable collateral damage caused by smart bombs.
how remote can you be with a cabin full of economy class passengers

The type of firearm and ammunition carried by Air Security Officers has also been carefully chosen to minimise any potential risk to the aircraft structure. The airlines have been involved in these considerations and both engineering and technical crew have provided input. In the unlikely case that a weapon if fired in an aircraft there are in place standing procedures for the management of depressurisation incidents. We have also been able to hold discussions with relevant overseas agencies regarding the types of weapons and ballistic issues.

special cartridges with small amounts of explosives and low bullet speeds might not penetrate the aluminum skin of the hull of the aircraft and cause loss of pressure.
the americans again.

How will I know there is an Air Security Officer on board?

You will not know they are there. Officers are being chosen and trained to blend in with the air-traveling public. The Air Security Officer could be the middle-aged businessman across the aisle, the young woman in jeans next to you or the man in casual clothes and a beard. Just as you will not be able to tell whether an Air Security Officer is on board, neither will the potential hijacker.

now this one is really rich.
now we can all play the game spot the gunman.
somehow it has to board the aircraft without passing through a metal detector.
spot the stereotypes. maybe put the gun in a bag. put the bag through the xray machine and notify the checker.
might work. let us hope that the checker is not a hijacker .

The Air Security Officers (Air Marshals) will include men and women with a wide variety of backgrounds and skills. They will blend in perfectly with everyone else on board. Only the flight deck crew will be briefed immediately before departure that they have an Air Security Officer on board. There are agreed protocols as to when the services of the officer are necessary.

could we please have more information about this blending.
plain clothes police can usually be spotted by their polished shoes.

Will all flights have Air Security Officers (Air Marshals) on board?

No. The Australian Protective Service in consultation with the airlines, the Department of Transport and Regional Services and Federal and State/Territory agencies will decide what flights will carry an officer. This decision will be based on a number of factors including security intelligence provided to the program manager.

why are these low lives always described as officers, a wholesome word.

What is the legal basis under which Air Security Officers have authority to arrest people on domestic flights?

The existing legislative framework under the Australian Protective Service Act 1987(Australian Protective Services Act) and the Crimes (Aviation) Act 1991 (Aviation Act) provide the Australian Protective Services with sufficient authority to perform the functions of an Air Security Officer.

if so then why invoke these draconian powers only now.

Under the Australian Protective Services Act, an Australian Protective Services Officer may, without a warrant, arrest a person for an offence against Part 2 of the Aviation Act if the Officer believes on reAir Security Officernable grounds that the person has just committed, or is committing, an offence.

what do they mean by "reAir Security Officernable"

This includes specified offences, such as hi-jacking and acts of violence against all or any of the passengers or members of the crew, committed on aircraft over which the Commonwealth has jurisdiction.

of course Australia is a Commonwealth

What is the international position on the use of Air Security Officers?

The International Civil Aviation Authority Security Manual, which recommends security practices in relation to international civilian aircraft, envisages the use of armed aircraft security officers and provides guidance as to the use of Air Security Officers.

now not only will passengers have a problem on boarding an aircraft and on arrival
but the system has been extended to include the flight itself.
no wonder that air passenger numbers are so much down. better to take the bus if you have time...

Page updated on April 17th. 2004  and again on November 19th. 2008 Air marshals and their guns  the downside of Australia